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Post by jeeper01ca on Jan 31, 2004 15:24:25 GMT -5
Hi all,
This is my first post and 1st time being on the board, I owe some reading to do before I post, because I know it's not Fun to have the same topic discussed over and over, but forgive me because am short in time.
I have a GSD a male 6 yrs and a'm bredding him with a 4yrs female, who had already been bred twice before, my dog it's his 1st time.
He was having hardtime going on top of her, but she came home with us and he's getting better now, but I don't know if it's going to work, he goes on her for 2 minutes and comes back off.
Anything I can do to help?
Is there any form of contract to do with the owner of the bitch?
Is it a good idea to leave them alone and have me watch them all the times.
She has just finished her period and even today I found some bloood in the cage and on the floor, could this be a reason why the male not too crazy about her?
thanks and looking forwards for you comments.
In case of this topic been discussed, please just forward the link to me. thanks
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Post by Norm on Jan 31, 2004 16:17:16 GMT -5
Hi and welcome to the Board. I have some questions for you.
1. Why are you breeding these dogs?
2. Are the dogs pets or have they been proven in a field of endeavor (show ring, obedience, etc.)?
3. Have they both been OFA approved front & rear?
There are many more questions but these are good starters.
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Post by jeeper01ca on Jan 31, 2004 16:47:34 GMT -5
1. Why are you breeding these dogs?
Because they are good ones and will give good puppies.
2. Are the dogs pets or have they been proven in a field of endeavor (show ring, obedience, etc.)?
My dog is a working dog, so you can say yes in terms of obedience.
3. Have they both been OFA approved front & rear?
YES
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Post by gsdpal2 on Jan 31, 2004 18:02:19 GMT -5
What is your idea of "good ones?"In other words, what traits are you trying to pass on to pups? I know that you did not come here to get a lecture on the reasons why one should breed two dogs, but in order answer your questions we need to know more about your dog and the bitch you are breeding in order to help answer your questions. Also what do you feed these dogs?
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Post by gsdpal2 on Jan 31, 2004 18:11:44 GMT -5
In order help answer your question, we need to know more about these two dogs. What do you consider "good ones?" In other words, what traits are you wanting to pass on to pups? What do you feed these dogs? how long have the dogs been together? I saw that you took the stud to the bitch originally? Sometimes that can mess the stud up. That is why most breeders will only let the femal \e to the male and not the other way around. You are much better off whiith the female at your house. You said there was a change when she came home with you, right?  |
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Post by jeeper01ca on Jan 31, 2004 18:14:08 GMT -5
Ok, the mother of my dog is a real K-9, and my dog is smart and looks so original, during his obidence classes he was the top student, I had an offre from the highway patrol police to buy him off me, but he's a guard dog.
I feed him Iams during all his adult ages, but before (2 months-1year old) he was on Ukanuba.
The father of the bitch is a champion dog, her mom is also there, but didn't inquire about her.
you can ask or discuss anything, I don't take things personal, well we're here to chit-chat our GSD concerns.
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Post by Norm on Jan 31, 2004 18:41:26 GMT -5
Jeeper, Glad you don't take it personal. Most of us here are only interested in what is best for the breed. We don't condone the indiscriminate breeding of pets to add to the number of dogs in need of homes. The fact that your dog is smart and that you love him is not a reason for breeding him. The mere fact that you have to ask about how to conduct a breeding indicates that you have a lot to learn before getting involved in breeding a dog. Also the fact that one of the bitch's parents is a champion is not enough reason to breed her. There are too many Shepherds in shelters that need homes without well meaning pet owners adding to that population. Here are some things for you to read about breeding: www.geocities.com/learntobreed/index.htmlOk, the mother of my dog is a real K-9, and my dog is smart and looks so original, during his obidence classes he was the top student, I had an offre from the highway patrol police to buy him off me, but he's a guard dog. I feed him Iams during all his adult ages, but before (2 months-1year old) he was on Ukanuba. The father of the bitch is a champion dog, her mom is also there, but didn't inquire about her. you can ask or discuss anything, I don't take things personal, well we're here to chit-chat our GSD concerns. |
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Post by jeeper01ca on Jan 31, 2004 18:43:56 GMT -5
Maybe someone can explain to me why these question aid in getting the answers. I mean what does the brand of food has to do.
I know when we breed dogs we breed the get the best out of the 2 in 1 or in the puppies.
But as I said still new, I used to read alot about training GSD but never about breeding.
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Post by gsdpal2 on Jan 31, 2004 18:55:19 GMT -5
The reason the food is important is that if the male is not in tip top shape, sometimes his libido can be low. Also I have been told by some that certain food additives in comercial food may cause low libido in many dogs. I have researched breeding a lot, and I still have not bred my first litter. I have a german import female from top VA bloodlines and access to a male that is from Germany's top VA bloodlines as well. I still want to know more before I breed,. I know what it is I want to produce, and that is the first step. I have good dogs that should produce the structure, temperment, and drive that I want to keep in the breed, but I am not as knowledgable as I want to be when I bring life into this world. |
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Post by Mary on Jan 31, 2004 19:28:27 GMT -5
First I'm going to play the devils advocate. A person new to breeding should NOT to breed a virgin male by themselves. There is WAY more to breeding then throwing two animals together and letting them copulate. Were is the bitch owner why are they not there for the breeding?
Did you require the bitch owner to run a brucellosis test? Also a progesterone test to see where this bitch is in her season.
What are you looking to achieve with this breeding?...
You state your dog is a working dog, what titles or credentials does he have? Breeding champion to champion doesn't not guarantee you a champion! You said they have been x-rayed what was the OFA rating?
I agree with Norm before breeding, have a goal of what you want from the mating. Also when you produce puppies YOU are responsible for them, they didn't ask to be born.....
Also if your male cannot bred naturally he is telling you he should not be bred. Remember in the wild, only the strong reproduce that is natures way.
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Post by jeeper01ca on Jan 31, 2004 21:11:35 GMT -5
just a little hint I forgot to mention, The person who owns the female is a GSD breeder, he got 17 dogs in total.
so I think he knows a lot more than me, but am doing this for my own, I mean my own dog's benefit and sake, why? because am sure on the board I can find top people and having a question answered by more than one person, leaves less doubts.
I'll go proceed now reading mary's post.
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Post by jeeper01ca on Jan 31, 2004 21:29:52 GMT -5
TEXTWere is the bitch owner why are they not there for the breeding?
well because yesterday when I went over to female's place and my dog didn't perform well, so I figured he was nervous, I told the owner to drop it here and come today to my place and try it here, if it works Good, if not, he can find a different dog.
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Did you require the bitch owner to run a brucellosis test? Also a progesterone test to see where this bitch is in her season.
Sorry am new to these terms, could you explain more.
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What are you looking to achieve with this breeding?...
Am keeping one of the puppies and a few friends need to have his puppies.
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You state your dog is a working dog, what titles or credentials does he have? Breeding champion to champion doesn't not guarantee you a champion!
Does he require to carry those in order to be called a working dog, what's behind someone training his dog with the help of a professional and results show well at the end.
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Yes, it's unquestionable, GSD in fact is a smart dog, thats what makes him good in what he does, just like humans, doesn't mean because the parents can type then the kids can do so Naturally.
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You said they have been x-rayed what was the OFA rating?
Well., it's according to my vet, I asked her so many times, she always been telling me he's fine, no worries, she's been his vet since he was brought to my arms, 8 weeks.
As for the female, I have seen that certificate, but didnot see any rating.
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Post by Mary on Jan 31, 2004 23:23:17 GMT -5
OK, I'm not trying to be mean but there is so much you need to learn before jumping into breeding with both feet. Brucellosis is a test to be sure the bitch is not caring a vaginal disease BRUCELLA The owner of the stud dog should always require that a Brucella titer be done within the month or so prior to a breeding. Unless artificial insemination is a certainty, or even if just normal courtship behavior is anticipated, it is necessary to protect the male, and any future bitches that might come to him. It is contagious, and will render dogs and bitches infected with it totally sterile. Brucella is a true venereal disease, whereas the infections we have discussed previously arise from the environment. It is likewise reasonable that the stud dog owner request that all of the tests we have discussed should be done, to protect the stud dog’s health and fertility, and to protect his reputation as a sire. progesterone : check out this website www.schaferhund.com/broodbitch.htm#progestroneNow for hips and elbows: With NO OFA, "a" stamp your dog has no certification its that vets opinion which means nothing to a bitch or stud owner. As the owner of breeding bitches & a stud I will not bred unless all conditions have been met as stated above. AND the temperament of the dogs must be fabulous also. Oh and I never take my stud to a bitch, they come to him on his home turf... |
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Post by gsdpal2 on Feb 1, 2004 1:26:36 GMT -5
With this being your first time breeding, and obviously the bitch's owner is not willing to help or knows little information to give you, I advise that you cease any further attempts tio breed these two dogs. Just throwing two dogs together and producing puippies dioes not make a person a reputable breeder. The type of breeder you describe sounds like one of two kinds: either a puppy mill supplier or what we call in the States a back yard breeder. I am not by any means saying that you should never breed. I am saying that the reasons you have given to breed are not responsible. many times especially friends who say they "have" to have a puppy from your dog back out at the minutes the pups turn six weeks old, and then you are left with a litter of pups to find homes for. Besides, a good reputable breeder would have told you all about the brucellus test and the OFA certification. He would also want to see your certificate of OFA not just your vet's opinion. Owning 17 dogs and not doing these things sounds to me like an irresponsible breeder. I think you shoud find someone more responsiblbe and willing to help you and the breed before you choose to breed your dog. You want to produce good sound dogs for yourself and you friends who "need" one of your puppies. Besides, what do they "need" one for anyway? Dogs are only a nessesity for people who are blind or physcially imparied. If you are trying to provide those services, you really NEED to find someone willing an able to help mentor you in this endeavor! Sorry to come down on you so hard, but you said that you would not take things personally, but your word choice on some of those replies indicates otherwise. I deicded to lay it all on the line in the open.  |
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Post by jeeper01ca on Feb 1, 2004 2:34:36 GMT -5
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Thank for your advice.
No mary, you weren't mean in your reply
No gsdpal2, you weren't hard.
Remember I asked for your advice, you KNOW what you are talking about, and am so sure you have found all the answers to my questions earlier in your learning experience.
About that Brucellosis thing, well if my dog has had already penetration into her, does this mean IF she has it, he could've got it, or it's possible that it can't be trasfered from day 1.
Is it possible that the stud refuses the bitch, or it doesn't happen in their world?
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