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Post by Jezzi on Jan 7, 2004 10:23:46 GMT -5
Calling Normie Whatcha think of this male?   |
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Post by AvalancheGSD on Jan 7, 2004 13:29:54 GMT -5
Ok Laurie - tell us who the gorgeous hunk is  |
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Post by Norm on Jan 7, 2004 18:41:52 GMT -5
Laurie, This is a very nice looking Don son,  although not as nice as his sire. I would like to see a straighter back.and a longer upper arm. Overall a very nice dog. Calling Normie Whatcha think of this male? |
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Post by Jezzi on Jan 7, 2004 21:15:16 GMT -5
Mary, that is VA Kuoll di Casa Nobili, son of VA Don. Normie is hard to please...lol I hope Barry can give us a male pup who looks like this  |
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Post by sandy on Jan 7, 2004 21:29:21 GMT -5
He's a beauty, for sure. Norm, can you give me some illustrative description to help me visuallize what you mean by a longer upper arm? I'm a newbie and am trying to soak this all up! Sandy |
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Post by Norm on Jan 7, 2004 21:53:01 GMT -5
Sandy, The length of the upper arm should be the same as the layback of the shoulder. If you dropped an imaginary plumb line straight down from the withers it should hit the back of the elbow if the dog is correctly angulated. In the dog pictured the elbow is forward of the plumb line, therefore the dog does not have enough length in the upper arm. If you go to : www.gsdca.org/Noframes/standard/IllStan1.htmyou will find the Illustrated Standard of the GSD and you can study it to get a better understanding of correct structure and terminology. He's a beauty, for sure. Norm, can you give me some illustrative description to help me visuallize what you mean by a longer upper arm? I'm a newbie and am trying to soak this all up! Sandy |
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Post by Jezzi on Jan 7, 2004 22:35:58 GMT -5
Another Don son... What about his upper arm?  |
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Post by Norm on Jan 7, 2004 23:01:19 GMT -5
Laurie, Since this is your dog you tell us.  How old is he in the picture? Another Don son... What about his upper arm? |
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Post by Jezzi on Jan 7, 2004 23:48:53 GMT -5
Laurie, Since this is your dog you tell us. How old is he in the picture? Well, if you do the plumb line, it appears his upper arm is the correct length. He is 3 years old. I know you wouldn't like his back  However, he's a keeper for me... |
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Post by gsdoglady on Jan 8, 2004 9:38:27 GMT -5
Jezzi, I actually like the second dog (Barry?) better than the first although I think the first photo is better. The 2nd dog is much more athletic looking and actually, to my eye, looks like he may have better front angulation, although the first has more forechest. That may have to do with age at time the photo was taken. The first dog looks like he has had many days on the sofa instead of at work!
Norm - I doubt if dog 2 has more of a roach than Max, Bungee or Elmo have. I will be interested inseeing if he has more flexibility that those boys do (did).
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Post by ovejero on Jan 9, 2004 21:36:49 GMT -5
Many of the traits we speak of when dealing with structure are "imaginary lines" or lines of reference to connect landmarks which suggest bone length and position. Today we know that even the 'shortest' upper arm contains a bone (humerus) which is always longer than the scapula, however, judges study the relative structures from the "outside" and the language used to refer to these traits remain within the "culture" of the GSD fancy.
As with most skeletal traits there are two things to consider: length and position. The length is assessed in relation to the length of other skeletal elements. The position is assessed in relation to the planes (inclination) of other skeletal elements.
The upper arm is compared to a line that drops at a forward angle from the whither to the shoulder joint. That line is then compared in length and position to the line drawn from the point of the shoulder to the elbow. IT is that second line we call "upper arm".
These two imaginary lines must create the illusion of a 90 degree angle while at the same time both segments must be of equal lengths. As this happens, and if the withers is in the correct place given by a well laid back shoulder, then, as Norm says, if you drop a plum line from the whithers to the ground it will touch the elbow finishing a 90 degree triangle
The dog in question presents a short upper arm, at least in the picture. I prefer to see upper arm length during motion. The standing pictures often obscure the landmarks and do not allow for a true assertion of where the shoulder point truly is. Often coat coloration, shadowing etc. will create the wrong impression about where things are on the dog. There is no doubt, however, that at least the positioning of the upper arm on this dog is somewhat straight or upright which is not ideal, but then again, photos tend to give incorrect impressions at times.
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although not as nice as his sire. I would like to see a straighter back.and a longer upper arm. Overall a very nice dog.
How old is he in the picture?
