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Post by Brittany on Dec 1, 2003 6:06:03 GMT -5
The bitch had a litter up in Germany. I suspected that the breeding was taking places in a therapy center, as that is where she is from. The URL is www.therapiehunde.org I had tried contacting the owner but had received an error so I'm hoping that some of you guys can help me out on this. I am searching for recent pictures of her progeny. To see how well she produces and if her genes are dominant. Heres a picture of her (a recent one) and her pedigree. Sorelle Vom Sekullerhof's pedigree information, with picture.
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topgsd
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Post by topgsd on Dec 2, 2003 7:29:36 GMT -5
Sorelle had two litters so far. One by Manto di Casa Mary, two males and one female, born Sep. 02 Second litter was by Gigant vom Kapellenberg, three males and one female, born April 03.
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Post by Brittany on Dec 2, 2003 12:12:34 GMT -5
Jana, Do you happen to know the sites of where i can see recent pictures?
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Post by CzechGSD on Dec 2, 2003 13:59:41 GMT -5
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Post by topgsd on Dec 2, 2003 17:31:21 GMT -5
Brittany, sorry but I don't know of any website with pictures of Sorelle's pups.
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Post by Brittany on Dec 2, 2003 19:14:05 GMT -5
CzechGSD, yes I have seen the pictures but the rest thats on the bottom are X'ed out on me so i wouldnt now how they look now. Jana, thanks for the information that you have gave me Do you know if any of the littermates are Titled or about to get titled? Do you know the breeders email? I had tried the email that's on the site that she came from but it came back with an error. I guess it's an old email address.
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Post by Brittany on Dec 2, 2003 19:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by topgsd on Dec 3, 2003 8:03:11 GMT -5
Hi Brittany, you are right.. it is a male in the right picture though they are talking about a female.. guess they just took a picture of any dog that would look well in the newspapers. The second article deals about Questa and a Kuvacz-female, and one might think the GSD pictured is Questa.. knowing they used a different dog in the other article I wasn't sure. In the list of pictures you linked to, there is one name Questa1.jpg... and that for sure is a coated female.
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Post by Brittany on Dec 3, 2003 8:31:32 GMT -5
Im a bit nervous now because I see that the mother is a long coated... I do strictly fallow the FCI (SV) rules. How was Sorelle able to get papers with a fault mother? This is confusing to me.
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Post by freundhund on Dec 3, 2003 9:03:16 GMT -5
Hi Brittany
I was under the impression that a long coated bitch could be breed surveyed in German and obtain a Class 2 and that she wa re-evaluated after 1st and 2nd litters.
This is because the long coat gene is required within the breed otherwise we end up with excessively short coats.
The rules could have changed in Germany. Someone else might have to confirm or let you know if I am wrong.
The information about requiring to keep the long coat gene in the breed, ( long coat with undercoat only not without the undercoat) I remember from many years ago at a lecture given by a German Judge (don't remember which one) and one of our vets explaining the genetic of it. Unfortunately I am unable to locate my notes.
Regards
Freundhund
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Post by Norm on Dec 3, 2003 9:54:20 GMT -5
Breeding to a long coat with a dog with a short coat will not give you full coated dogs unless both parents carried the gene for a full coat. You could also end up with a litter of short and long coated pups. If you want to correct a short coat you would breed to an animal with a correct coat. Whenever you want to do a compensatory breeding you should select an animal that is closest to the standard for the problem you are trying to correct. This animal should also show, in it's progeny, the ability to correct the problem. . This is because the long coat gene is required within the breed otherwise we end up with excessively short coats. Regards Freundhund
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Post by Schaeferhund on Dec 3, 2003 10:32:53 GMT -5
Hi Brittany I was under the impression that a long coated bitch could be breed surveyed in German and obtain a Class 2 and that she wa re-evaluated after 1st and 2nd litters. No, longcoat is a disqualifier and can't not be surveyed or bred under SV.
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