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Post by JanisN on Nov 20, 2003 17:51:04 GMT -5
We've recently returned from NASS 2003 and as usual, I'm complaining about the lack of manners from some dog owners. Everyone always mentions "no poop pick up" as their pet peeve, but I've added some others to mine.
Having Working Males out when there's no reason for them to be out. Witnessed a totally unprovoked attack by one male on another when someone walked their male by a male "just hanging out" with the owner. Why is a dog "just hanging out" when there are dogs in the ring? The victim was injured so badly that he could not compete in the working class.
Agitating/exercising/playing with dogs on the sidelines. At this sieger show there was a TON of space to take your dog to play or exercise where you wouldn't be around any other dogs. Yet someone insisted on bringing their dog to the sidelines with a jute tug in it's mouth. Of course, that hyped up every dog getting ready to go in the ring! Aside from being rude, that's bloody unsafe to me! A young dog can slip a show collar in the blink of an eye to get to a jute tug. Instant dog fight!
Anyone else have any favorites? And most importantly, how do you nicely ask someone to stop being an idiot???
JanisN
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Post by gsdoglady on Nov 20, 2003 22:55:07 GMT -5
It is always too bad that thoughtless and stupid people need babysitters. As a show secretary with many. many years of experience (that's where the graying hair comes from) I have gotten very good at telling people to remove themselves and their dogs.
I certainly hope there was a bench show committee of some sort to handle that injury case. People like that should not be allowed at shows without some sensible guardian.
My pet peeve as a result of much show paperwork is people not filling entries out legibly and correctly. They send in entry forms that you have to guess at, and then they bitch because the catalog has a typo!!
And I have a real problem with long time breeders who always spell the breed: German Shapard. Give me a beak!!!
and lest we forget -- the slobs who feel someone else should clean up. Your dog -- your mess!
Ruth S
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Post by VonIsengard on Nov 23, 2003 0:37:37 GMT -5
<wincing> I might be one of the idiots. My dog was being worked, the breeder wanted to see her bite. But was during a lunchbreak, and there were no dogs in the ring. And we were way off in a corner away from most of the traffic.  I'm gonna duck and cover now.
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Post by JanisN on Nov 23, 2003 10:06:14 GMT -5
Uh gee, Kelly... there were no dogs in the ring and you were off in a corner where there weren't any other dogs. Doesn't sound the least bit idiotic to me!!!! Sounds like GOOD show ettiquette and a way to meet Wolfgang's wishes safely!!!
No, I'm talking about people who bring dogs that aren't showing RIGHT UP to the edge of the ring, particularly with toys or agitation devices.
At smaller shows, I've absolutely done that. Put young dogs in down stays right next to our sideline chairs because I want them to experience a lot of other dogs and get comfortable with a ringside position. I'll also leave reliable, older dogs out after their classes IF I can trust their behavior.
My main issue is safety. A LOT of people have little kids ringside. The person holding the leash of the dog may not be as attentive as they should be. If I'm holding a dog, waiting to give the dog to a handler, and someone comes up to talk to me or ask a question, I'll absolutely swear I won't be alert or looking for a dog to come up behind me. One good lunge from a 12-18 male when I'm not with it, and that dog will probably be sailing over and running through obstacles to get to the chosen toy. That's just a bloody dangerous situation.
I think my biggest beef is that I had to be rude to someone to make it stop. And I HATE to be rude. I apologized later, but I KNOW that person's impression of me now is "What a witch" <sigh>
JanisN
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Post by VonIsengard on Nov 23, 2003 17:26:17 GMT -5
Well, that's a relief.  I certainly don't want to be nuisance to anyone. I agree that the shows are great socialization for young dogs and puppies- at smaller, relaxed regional shows. NOT at large, hectic events with over 60 working males! And my kids, thankfully are just as content watching movies in our van. It keeps them out of our hair and everyone else's. But honestly, it happens everywhere you go. I take my dog to a show, petsmart, the park...some yahoo is not paying attention while their dog is straining behind them, getting my dogs' face. And the poop thing- inexcusable. There is NO reason why EVRYONE should not be carrying a bag on them at all times. However, I do wish the club had set up more cans and scoops at the show site. Sometimes when you are rushed, it's easy to forget those little pink bags. I forgot one- but still, with a little asking around, I got a bag from someone else.
Another etiquitte thing- sportsmanship. Giving a big, disgusted sigh or rolling your eyes at another dog or your dogs placing is unacceptable. So is storming up ringside, arms crossed, giving dirty looks and muttering under your breath. I was horrified to see someone actually throw their trophy down and stomp off. I don't know if it was due to the show or if their anger was directed elsewhere, but it was very unsportsmanlike and downright childish.
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Post by Kerry on Nov 27, 2003 0:40:36 GMT -5
Recently, the male dog thing happened to me. My male can and will be testy when entering the ring. The same guy walked up in front and behind my dog with his male at the END of his leash TWICE. My handler was PO'd and gave him a polite dirty look. At another show, a person was on the sideline camped out with their dog who appeared to be acting territorial, i.e., tail up, and when my dog cruised by in practice, they looked at each other, and lunged. My dog kept looking at him when he'd go around again. The sideline dog postured toward ANOTHER dog as well. Fortunately the sideline dog was quiet for the rest of the time. Before the Working Male class was held, the owner was approached by someone NOT showing at all, politely asked the person to remove the dog, and was reportedly VERY defensive about this, and blamed it on the other dogs. It's very clearly stated in most entries that dogs not entered in the show must not be brought onto the grounds, but puppies get some slack because they're learning. What's the point, though, if someone's going to let their dog go and be nasty to a puppy? Another thing that I think is really rude is one handler riding the tail of the dog ahead of them. It's good to stay in a group, especially if you're in the first group of 3-4, but it's not polite to run the dog up so close. That, I hear is a trick to make the dog ahead to lose focus, and/or raise his/her tail. Another peevy thing are double handlers who knock down one another and don't apologize or check to see if the person is OK, and keep on running. My goodness, at least make sure that the person is breathing and has a pulse before taking off again! Also, spectators need to be mindful of the double handlers, and allow them room (and hiding places). I'm sick of trash and cigarette butts, too, same as poop. I don't want to look at it, step on or in it, or feel compelled to pick it up, thank you very much!!! Gripe, gripe, gripe.  I know it's not a tea party out there, but where are sports manners? What about just manners in general? |
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Post by ginabean on Dec 1, 2003 14:49:09 GMT -5
Well put, Kerry.
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Post by freundhund on Dec 5, 2003 22:04:35 GMT -5
And I thought bad manners at shows only happened in Australia.
Now my additional peeves. Parents who bring their children under ten years old to shows, leaving them with no food, no drinks, no toys or games and just tell them to sit there in the hot sun and don't check on the children. ( I stopped showing during the years my children where very young and if husband couldn't mind them I didnt go when they were a bit older)
People who don't leave room for you to get in and out of the ring, crowding the entrance way.
Throwing balls or squeaky toys outside the ring during obedience and get nasty when your dog leaves the ring to take their dogs toy. Particularly when they own a toy poodle and your dog has said I am having that toy.
OR THE WORST WHICH HAS JUST HAPPEN HERE. SOMEONE COMING TO AN OBEDIENCE TRIAL WITH A DOG WITH PARVO VIRUS. We have just had this happen the dog died 2 days after the show and a number of other dogs that where at that show have been very ill since.
Regards
Freundhund
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Post by Kerry on Dec 7, 2003 10:54:36 GMT -5
Thank you, Ginabean. Kids & Dogs... Yes, Freundhund, thank you for your post. It's very dangerous nowadays to leave children to run wild and free while focusing one's attention on the dogs. I love having children around  but not at the sake of their safety, and they need to have a shelter to play under when it's sunny. One poster mentioned letting their children watch movies in the car. I guess that's OK, as long as they can be seen by the caregiver at all times, and have plenty of food, beverages and shade. I prefer to see children playing with puppies, however, assisting with socialization. It's good for the kids and good for the puppies. Children also need to be trained on how to approach dogs. More and more, I'm being asked if my dog may be petted, which is good. Gangs of little kids tend to stampede big dogs. If your attention wanders, kids can get bitten by a nervous dog. All dogs are not created with equal temperaments. Likewise, dogs should be exposed to children, when appropriate. How else are children expected to be comfortable with dogs if they can't be petted? Vaccinations other than rabies are not required, and I've NEVER been asked to show proof of rabies vaccination, so I doubt if others have, either, unless somebody gets bitten. To knowingly bring a sick dog to a show is a thoughtless crime, where it can be transmitted to many dogs, and taken home on shoes to baby puppies at home. I always carry a sprayer of a FRESH solution of diluted bleach in my van, and hand sanitizer. It's a good reason to PICK UP YOUR OWN POOP, OK? Speaking of sanitation, it is appreciated that people who attend the nice luncheons and dinners provided by clubs wash their hands before scooping food and grabbing handfuls of pretzels and cookies. Especially, if the last thing you've done is go to the bathroom, cleaned up dog poop, changed a diaper, coughed or sneezed, or shaken hands with one who has just finished doing same. Eeeeuuu!.  There are people with compromised immune systems, who can't tolerate your germiness. BTW, the use of hand sanitizers are for already washed hands and don't take the place of handwashing. AND, speaking of luncheons and judge's dinners, isn't is proper etiquette for the judge and translator to be served first? |
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Post by Amara on Mar 2, 2004 1:05:34 GMT -5
:)Hey, I agree with all of you... There is so much rudeness @ shows...People aren't paying attention and allowing their dogs to agitate while there is serious stuff going on in the ring...Also, why is there so much double handling ? When you have to run over someone or practically kill yourself, come on....Where's the sport ? Where's the family atmosphere ? This should be fun not painful.....and if someone is clearly causing a problem with their lack of responsibility.....then definitely say something even if you do sound witchy....Janis... I know I would.....Safety is an issue and I wouldn't want to see anyone hurt......canine or human,.....  Amara |
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I'm gonna duck and cover now.
I certainly don't want to be nuisance to anyone. I agree that the shows are great socialization for young dogs and puppies- at smaller, relaxed regional shows. NOT at large, hectic events with over 60 working males! And my kids, thankfully are just as content watching movies in our van. It keeps them out of our hair and everyone else's. But honestly, it happens everywhere you go. I take my dog to a show, petsmart, the park...some yahoo is not paying attention while their dog is straining behind them, getting my dogs' face. And the poop thing- inexcusable. There is NO reason why EVRYONE should not be carrying a bag on them at all times. However, I do wish the club had set up more cans and scoops at the show site. Sometimes when you are rushed, it's easy to forget those little pink bags. I forgot one- but still, with a little asking around, I got a bag from someone else. 
I know it's not a tea party out there, but where are sports manners? What about just manners in general? 
but not at the sake of their safety, and they need to have a shelter to play under when it's sunny. One poster mentioned letting their children watch movies in the car. I guess that's OK, as long as they can be seen by the caregiver at all times, and have plenty of food, beverages and shade. I prefer to see children playing with puppies, however, assisting with socialization. It's good for the kids and good for the puppies.
There are people with compromised immune systems, who can't tolerate your germiness. BTW, the use of hand sanitizers are for already washed hands and don't take the place of handwashing. 
Amara