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Post by JanisN on Nov 28, 2003 18:48:50 GMT -5
If you like, I can provide photos of a couple of dogs who would otherwise tend to stand bridged if not stacked in this manner. Yes, please!!! JanisN |
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Post by geronimo on Nov 29, 2003 12:51:33 GMT -5
Re: Stacking for...
« Reply #15 on: 11/28/2003 at 18:48:50 »
Yes, please!!!
JanisN
Janis,
I will do this soon--within a couple of days after a busy weekend--I'm swamped. Takes a while to sort the photos and load them on the internet.
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Post by sandy on Dec 5, 2003 17:49:46 GMT -5
Just wanted to say 'thanks' to all of you who provided such great advice on stacking! It really was all so useful. I especially like the suggestion of using large plate glass windows to practice...very good tip.
Sandy
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Post by GSDnut on Dec 20, 2003 11:14:28 GMT -5
OK!!! - here I go for controversy again !!!! There is only one way to 'stack' a GSD properly !!! and sadly all you experienced people have not even come close in your 'instructions' or comments. Firstly you 'walk' your dog on a slack lead in to a 'stand stay' at the point where his back legs are in the 'stance' position, you then gently push back his front so that the forward leg goes back parallel with the other - if that front leg is not vertical and correct, then you lift the front of the dog until his front feet are off the ground and then let him back down - when you will find that both feet are correctly vertical and parallel. This way you get a 'natural' and comfortable pose, and more importantly the dog is comfortable and balanced. A 'placed' 'stance' (Am. 'Stack') never ever looks right. Most of my show dogs have known what the 'stance' is on the occasion (at Shows or Training), and have just walked naturally into it with little help. Continually 'tickling' behind the ears will bring them up - or like many people do at shows here now - you can 'illegally' 'double handle'. and have someone outside the ring he knows attract him, which will raise his ears too!!! - I must admit that one dog I had who always laid his ears back in the ring, I trained to react to my 'Jingly coins in pocket' and when being handled in the ring I had an accomplice jangle coins for me...That dog was Champion Eclipse of Eveley (14 CCs). Below is a picture of our Champion Eveleys Bonnie Prince Charlie (The top winning GSD in 1977, 78, 79), who I walked into stance without any assistance and on a slack lead - his front legs are slightly 'rocking horse', but he is alert, with ears up due to my Mother attracting him out of the picture. ![]() img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/502287/ChBonniePrinceCharlie(1977).jpg [/img] Just my opinion after over 50 years experience of showing and handling, including literally hundreds of 'Firsts' at Championship shows. Seasonal Greetings John |
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Post by gsdoglady on Dec 20, 2003 12:45:30 GMT -5
I think the correct stack is different according to the individual dog. There is not one "right" way to do it.
The object of a show stack is to make the dog look like what the judge is looking for. No matter what, it is still a show and all things being equal, showmanship always wins. That's why people double handle. By the way, jingling coins is double handling!
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Post by GSDnut on Dec 20, 2003 16:04:44 GMT -5
. By the way, jingling coins is double handling! Ah, but at least it wasn't 'Brazen' or obvious, as it is around the ring in these more modern days!!! And I stand by my original statement - 'A 'placed' 'stance' (Am. 'Stack') never ever looks right.' - and of course if you are showing 'American Type' dogs, you have to 'Manhandle' them to get that stretched stifle and long sloping back that has never been written into any Standard I have read!!! But its Christmas folks, and I don't want to get into a type controversy, as no one ever wins anyway!! Regards, John members.tripod.com/~story_of_sara/www/ |
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Post by Dianne on Jan 12, 2004 23:43:32 GMT -5
We aim for eventual 'FREESTANDING..SHOW PRESENTATION"..but because the road to there is sometimes long..and patience becomes your best virtue.. BLATENT double handling at all breeds shows is against the rules...yes and pigs do fly...and the "get out of my way I'm making my dog perform", by running as many laps around the outside as the dog does inside, and d**n the viewing public is definately BANNED in ALL BREEDS..thank goodness., we want our dogs moving and running for the joy of it and because they love to please us NOT JUST TO CHASE. So we aim to have the dogs interested in every site and sound they can see naturally without "baits"..and that bloke in the middle of the ring who is going to decide whether we have a LONG TRIP HOME or A GREAT TRIP HOME is the first thing we want them to watch..his every move..not just the piece of food or toy in a hand. So having rambled on for a bit..here is our evolution from baby to "BIG Show Dogs".  Ana @ 5wks.  Ana at 12 weeks - Gipfel Iced Velvet  Brandy at 16mths. - A/Ch:Wiesenland Xenda
Rikki @ 2+years.- A/Ch:Gipfel Silver Shadow[Z][H]
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Post by Dianne on Jan 12, 2004 23:49:45 GMT -5
Oh and just to prove it isn't usually easy..the bitch below..Daina..A/Ch: Scherzar Empress Daina, was the hardest girl I've ever had to train, she fought us all the way..and suddenly overnight..what you see..but I could not show her too strong headed for me, but was putty with Tony..her 'daddy'..  |
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